That sounds pretty serious. And it is.
If this article won't start hateful comment then I don't what will. Today's topic is rape.
(Hateful coments ready...)
And it wouldn't be me if I didn't say that it's women's fault as well.
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This is article that finally forced me to write about this topic, even though I was thinking about it for a while. I might comment on specific things in this article, so you might want to read either before or after.
Let's make few things first. I don't support rape or any kind of sexual harassment. I find catcalling disgusting, and it's sad we live in a world where these things happen. I'm not blaming women (or victims in general, because apparently male harassment is quite frequent too). I blame the idiots who do such things. With that said there are certain things that need to be mentioned, and these things include detachment and less emotions. What else am I here for?
Rapists are sick people, who should be killed on the spot, but doesn't mean that the victims aren't idiots.
(Second time. Hateful comments go!)
Bear with me though. Please just read the whole article and then accuse me of blaming the victims, of being sexist and so on. Read it, think about it, and then comment if you feel like you still disagree. If, on the other hand, you agree, feel free to share. Could be useful.
With that said, let's move on.
First late me state facts:
1. Rape is common. More common than most of us are willing to admit. I'm not certain about the statistics (they all differ), but apparently one out of four women is raped or attempted to be raped during her life.
2. Most of the sexual assaults are done by men.
3. Sexual harassment, in which I include specifically catcalling, is common experience for women.
It doesn't matter what's the number of raped women. It's happening, it's sick and because most of the acts are done by men, I will focus only on this type of sexual assault.
These are the facts. Yes, it shouldn't be happening. Yes, it's disgusting and sad. And absolute yes for the fact that we should stop it.
The question remains how?
And this is where the controversy comes, because I say it's up to women! And I blame them – not for being raped, but for not being assertive, and strong enough to say no. I blame them for not being more defensive, and for not fighting back.
The sad truth is that people are animals. And ask yourself this: how do you train a dog? By telling him "no!", and for hitting him everytime he does something he's not supposed to. People work exactly the same, which means that solving this problem lies in women's hands. They are the trainers in this case, and they need to learn to say "don't do this". And then hit the man if possible. Just kidding, much better way would be to shame him. In front of people if possible.
The problem is that women rarely do it. What do women do when they're "just" catcalled? Not only do they mostly ignore it. In some cases they seem like they enjoy it. Maybe it's because they don't know what to do, maybe they're scared, but ignoring is not the right way. Smiling is an insane reaction, yet there are women who do that. When a guy is bothering them (touching, catcalling or any other inappropriate, but not really dangerous, action), women just don't do the right thing. There is one question to ask at that moment: "do I like that?". If the answer is no, then the only reaction is telling the person to stop. And more would be even better.
Just recently (another reason that made me write this) a friend posted on FB a status in which she complained about a plumber who made stupid joke about her sexual life. She didn't tell him to fuck off. And I understand it's hard, but how the hell do you expect men to change, if you don't tell them?
This is the first example when women fail to do what they're supposed to. I understand that in some cases it might be dangerous (mostly when you're alone with that person), and in these cases you need to do everything you can to escape, and to get to a safer place. In all other cases you need to say "stop!".
Simply said. When you don't like it, say it.
This is the simplest solution to the problem. I mean it! There's no other as effective solution as this. Women need to learn to fight back for men to learn.
When talking about rape there's a lot of discussion about the women's clothing and attitude (meaning "did she ask for it?"). There's no way to excuse sex to which all involved did not agree. Simple as that.
On the other hand. Women should need to learn few things. They need to know that the way they behave and dress affects their risk.
I'm not saying it's their fault. All I'm saying is that women need to know that some actions might provoke people. If you dress like a slut you will be viewed as one. If you make comments about sex, if you behave in seducing way, you will be viewed as a sexual object.
This is a simple fact to which women always object that it's everyone's freedom to behave the way they want, and dress they want. If a woman likes to wear short dress, she should be allowed to do it.
I have one problem with this statement, and it's very simple. This statement is not a reaction to what I'm talking about. I'm not saying what should or shouldn't be happening. I'm not saying what's right or wrong. I'm not asking whose fault it is. All I'm saying is that rape and sexual assault is here and women's clothes could be considered provoking.
NO!
Stop saying it's wrong! Stop saying it shouldn't be hapenning!
It shouldn't! But it is!
And this is a simple fact women need to accept. There's no point talking about a hypothetical (and great!) world where women could dress freely with no risk. We need to deal with this world to get there, and the painful truth is that the risk is here.
And now we should discuss what to do with it.
I don't want to say that women shouldn't wear what they want. All I want to say is that they should consider the risks for themselves!
Yes, it's a sad world, when women have to do this, but we all live in this world, and we need to accept it.
And in this real and sad world the simple fact is that short skirt, and big cleavage will attract (unwanted?) attention.
Don't say anything to this, because there's nothing to add, complain, question or argue about. This is a fact!
Women need to asses their risks and consider it. Same as behaviour. If I know I'm going out drinking and I want to avoid being a victim, I should make sure that I can defend myself, and take care of myself even when I'm drunk. Or I need to find a friend who will take care of me.
If not I'm taking a risk of being raped.
Don't say it shouldn't happen! It might and you need to count on it!
Why do you lock your door? Because you might get robbed?
If you leave the door from your house open would you be surprised to get robbed? Maybe yes, but it would be less surprising than if you've locked them.
This is not blaming the victim. I'm not saying a woman with a short skirt deserved it and it's her fault being raped. All I'm saying is that she should be prepared for it. Same as locking the door. You lock them because you don't want your stuff to be stolen. But when they are, it's not your fault. It's bad luck.
Even if you let the door open it's not your fault, but your fault is the increased risk of that happening.
These are facts! This is real world!
You can't defy facts! You can hardly hide from real world. Therefore, you need to prepare for it.
Sad, but true.
I've heard an argument that dressing provocatively doesn't increase the risk of being raped. (Just a note, it definitely increases the attention you will get.) Even if that's true, everything I said holds true. The risks are there. The chance a woman will be raped is, sadly, and maybe suprisingly, high and even if it's not affected by her clothing, women still need to learn to assess the risks, learn to say no and defend themselves. Absolutely nothing changed about the main point even if you say that the risk is not increased.
With actual rape the situation is of course much more complicated. Men are generally stronger, so when they set their mind to it, they will often be able to rape women. Yet, there are still ways to prevent it. You probably shouldn't dress provocatively, and you shouldn't act that way. If you do, you need to make sure you're safe while doing it by having people around you, or by being able to defend yourself.
If after all this you appear to be in a dangerous situation, it's hard to say anything about it, because every situation is unique. The universal advice applies though. You need to make sure you say a firm no! If that fails you need to fight back. I think this is a big problem, because usually women are not taught how to defend themselves, and they will simply resign to the situation. Which can not happen! Every woman has to be able to fight back to the last breath.
It won't be better for you if you just comply.
You might be more hurt if you fight back, sure, but at the same time if you somehow managed to hit man's balls you win. Practical advice: aim for the balls when fighting back. Theoretical advice: defending yourself is always better than not doing anything. In the worst case you will get hurt and raped. In the best case you will escape (possibly physically hurt). What's better?
Some studies have shown that fighting back reduces the risk of being raped to half. To a half! That's a huge number!
Some people might say that if you don't struggle, it's not really a rape. This is a stupid view, but I understand it. It is rape, but at the same you have to ask: why didn't the victim fight back if she didn't like it? Ok, she might have been paralyzed from fear, she might have thought it's better to stay still and get through it. And I'm trying to understand it, but it's hard for me to identify with someone who's not willing to put up a fight to avoid an experience that will haunt her for the rest of her life.
It doesn't matter if you don't know how to fight. You don't need to know any self defense to defend yourself. If I were scared I'd do anything. I would punch, scratch, bite and kick in the balls if I were forced to do something I don't want. Why don't women do the same? Seems insane to me.
One thing I just can't understand is forced oral sex. That just seems like oxymoron, because you need one bite, one hit in the groin and a guy is paralyzed. Completely!
I just saw an interview with a woman who was forced to do oral sex, and she said it didn't cross her mind.
I don't want to seem like an asshole, but that just seems strange. If she said she was scared, because he had a weapon I might understand, but this just doesn't seem right. It might be true, but I'm not sure I'll ever be able to understand it
We covered before and during. Now let's consider after.
After the rape, the advice it fairly simple: report it! Report it to police!
Try to overcome the bad memories, the shame, the guilt or any other emotions that the experience brings out and report it. Say it to the police. Say it to everyone, say the name of everyone who raped you.
Don't go to a dean if you're in college, because she won't help (she might even try to cover it up). Go to the police.
Ignore what everyone says to you. I can't believe there are people who ask a gang raped woman "why didn't you enjoy it? So many hot guys?", and it's even more disturbing when women say that. Ignore the people who will argue with reputation (yours, his, the school's...). Ignore people who say that you should just learn to live with it (and him).
There is no excuse for this kind of things and there's only reason to not report it. If you know (know as you're 100% sure ) that you will be killed if you say anythig to anyone.
Wait no! Even in this case you need to go to a police, and tell them you need protection. If that doesn't help you need to find someone else to protect you.
No matter what happens, after the incident women need to make sure that everyone knows it's happening, and everyone know who's responsible. If that is not possible, you still need to make sure that at least someone who is responsible for handling this know. In college cases, the police, not the office.
In conclusion I just want to simply say what we all need to do.
The first thing is accepting the facts. Rape culture is real. A lot of men are not only not ashamed, but proud of catcalling and assaulting women. These are simple facts and women need to accept them and act on them. There's no point saying that it shouldn't even be happening, because that changes nothing.
After we've accepted the facts we need to understand what to do with them. And the solution is simple and mostly depends on women's behaviour. Everytime someone says something inappropriate to you, you need to act on it. You have to make sure he knows it's inappropriate and you don't like. If a man grabs your ass, you don't deserve it, but unless you tell him he can't do that, how can you expect him to know this? You know the education has failed, otherwise he wouldn't do it. It's time teach him something he should already know. Tell him to stop. Don't encourage it, don't ignore it and don't just smile like it's fun. Tell him to fuck off!
Saying that it's wrong or complaining afterwards won't help. You need to make sure the person knows at that exact moment it happened. If there are friends around him, even better, because you can make him ashamed. The more you shame him, and the stronger you express that he's not supposed to do this, the bigger chance he will learn. Maybe not immediately, but believe me, the change will come.
Don't say it will only encourage him, or that it will only make him more aggresive against women. It's not true! From now on, if every woman expressed her opinion about sexual harassment right after it happens, we would have a much better world fairly quickly. And we would have a world where men not only respect women, but are also afraid of them. As they should be.
If someone bothers you (in any way), it's not your fault, but the ultimate solution is up to you.
I was mostly focusing on what women should do, but there is some responsibility on men, who don't approve of all I mentioned. And the simple advice applies for them as well. Don't ignore it, don't stay silent. If you ever see a man bothering a woman, tell him to stop. If your friend makes a stupid comment about women, tell him he's an idiot and he should be ashamed. Let him know that he can't do that.
If I ever have kids, this is exactly what I'll teach them. I want to live in a world where my daughter doesn't have to be afraid of men, but if I know that's the world we live in, I want her to be prepared. I will teach her to say definite no. I will teach her self-defense and I will make sure that she's able to kick any man who will bother her right into the balls.
It's super effective!
Imagine yourself bumping into some scumbag with a knife who wants you to hand over your wallet, mobile, notebook, etc. There is only a limited space to run away (building entrance, narrow street). Would you try to fight him or run away with a high chance of failure? Would you act differently if it's an average sized guy or 2m tall athletic beast? I'm trying to convince myself that I would fight the first one in case I had some really important stuff with me (notebook), but who the fuck knows unless you're in that situation. It's just a comparison of being against someone with a huge advantage in a fight and a possibility to get badly injured if you decide to defy.
ReplyDeleteDo you really think it's a win if you succeed to kick the rapist in the balls? If you then fail to run away (which gets more complicated if you're wearing heels and you need to get rid of them), you're up against far more aggressive asshole. If you have a pepper spray then it's definitely worth trying, but as I wrote, no one knows how one would behave unless you're in that kind of situation.
But I mostly agree, they can increase the chance of not being in this situation. Are there any statistics of the "planned" rapes, by which I mean the case when the rapist is waiting at some not-crowded place for a most-likely random victim compared to the other cases when the victim knows the rapist, even if it's some guy a girl just met in a bar. Anyway, without looking for any statistics, I don't really think this "party case" happens a lot, thus I don't think more provocative clothes play any significant role in this. In my opinion, a rapist waiting somewhere at 5am doesn't really care what the victim is wearing. And usually the girls who dress this way are more confident and comfortable with telling some guy to fuck off if they don't like what he's doing. There's also a social factor that both, the possible victim and rapist, have friends around.
I also wonder, does Andrejka agree with you? :)
I think would act very differently if I was being robbed or being raped. I might not put up a fight against a knife trying to protect my stuff, but I'm fairly certain I would fight back if my life, or simply something more valuable, was being threatened.
ReplyDeleteAs for the examples. I really don't know if it would make any difference if the guy is strong and tall.
I don't think I will succeed, but I might! And that's the most important thing! Simply said, the chance is much higher if I try. The information I found is that half of the rapes could be avoided by fighting back. Fucking half!
But even if it's a 10% it doesn't make much of a difference and the advice is the same: fight back.
Why are you asking me what I'd do? What difference does it make? First of all, I don't know of course. Second, we're not talking about me. We're talking about women being assaulted and the fact is that defending makes the chance smaller.
Third, if that happened to me, there's a chance that I would find the guy and make him suffer. I think that women usually don't do that. I think I would either go to the police and tried to sort it the usual way, or I wouldn't say anything to anyone (for my safety reasons) and I'd just deal with this myself.
Anyway, I wasn't trying to give advice on how to avoid being raped. I was simply trying to show that women are more likely to be passive, which makes them more vulnerable.
I was only trying to say that a lot of men feel like it's nothing wrong with it, and women belong to them. And for that there is a simple solution. Right from the beginning learn to say no.
Just a question, do you agree with that?
Because if you do, we don't have much to argue about, and you're just trying to tell me I'm wrong about things I admitted I possibly am.
Nothing wrong with that of course, just want to make sure if we agree on the main point :)
Not sure about planned rape, but most case, from what I've read, are not like that at all. Most cases are from someone the person knows. Being it family, boyfriend, friend or a coworker. And most cases are also not violent-the guy usually doesn't have a weapon. They simply count on the women to comply. It makes sense. "She's my wife, she has to do it." "I'm her boss, she has to do it to keep her job" and so on. The rapists are not usually standing in a dark corner with a knife.
Like I said, I have no idea about the clothes. It's possible it makes no difference, but the sad truth is that just because the police (!) asks during investigation what was the victim wearing, it might have some influence on it. To be completely honest, if I look at some women, I think they're sluts. And I'm hardly in the minority here. Obviously, I try to fight it, even if the thought crossed my mind I won't act on it, and I'll do anything to supress it. But it's there. I have the thought that drunk women in short dresses acting like idiots are "asking for it".
If I'm having these thought, I'm really scared to think what's in other people's minds.
So maybe it has some influence.
(For everyone, please just ignore the wording. Either I'm more sick than I think I am, or we all (women included) know what I'm talking about. We all know what type of women I mean. And that's not meant to be offensive or sexist, that's just admitting I'm not that different from the rest of the guys.)
Andrejka understand my point, and as usual she doesn't agree with the way I say it, but we talked about this, and she agrees that women have to learn to say no, right from the beginning. She proofread the article and didn't complain much, but I'll tell her to read it and answer you.
Just to show my point, here's a question on Quora I just saw. Read the description and tell me I'm wrong assuming that women are passive and can't say no. They know that something is wrong, but they won't leave, because they don't want to offend the person they're trying to get away from. Just one of many examples.
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As I already told you, my point was mostly about the "random" rapes which don't occur as often as the assault by someone the victim knows. I think we understand each other now and I agree with you.
DeleteClothes and fashion change as the time goes. You can see it everywhere, the more you show, the "better". If the "idols" can wear it, why not anyone else. Sure, I think a lot of people see those women you described as "sluts" at a glance, I'm not a guy who would be comfortable dating one of those, but it's just about different mentality. They just want attention and it's one of the ways how to get it, even though it can easily turn into an unwanted attention. I still think that this kind of women are those who have no problem saying no.
The story on quora definitely shows what you were writing about. Anyway, apart from that tap on the shoulder, which is a bit creepy, I don't see any problem to the point they're leaving the coffee shop. There are just guys who see a good looking girl and don't hesitate to approach her and try to know her better. Would be okay if he asked for her number in the store, even the coffee invitation is quite okay from both sides, but that's it. How often does something like this happen? I'm quite sure only a few girls encountered this. And people react differently when something happens for the first time, if it's some likeable guy then I can imagine the overwhelming reactions in the girl's head, not knowing what to do and saying no isn't usually the option. But it should end up with a small talk and exchanging contacts. I tried this once in a train, just wanted to see myself on the opposite side and it felt okay, we had a coffee like 3 days later, everything seemed natural. I should be doing this more often, too bad I'm in China where most of the girls only care about my white skin and money I don't have :-D
I agree with most of what Honza wrote in the article. Of course, once you get past the usual exaggerated way he writes (for example, in the beginning, “blame” is a very strong word).
DeleteI think that one of the reasons rape occurs so often is because women are easy victims, because they often have a very hard time saying no. One of the other situations where you can see this is also during catcalling or other unpleasant things like open staring; most women hate it, but the most they will usually do is give the guy a nasty look or ignore him. I think they should take this further and make it clear that they don't like it. Almost every woman is fed up with the way men sometimes look at her, or the things they say or do, but for some reason it’s really hard to do something about it... I definitely have problems doing this, though less than I used to. Once a guy actually smacked his lips at me, they way you would at a dog... but the most I could do was give him a startled look. In this case, the main reason was that I was 13 and I was just really unprepared for that.
There are so many ways in which women have learned to be unobtrusive and passive. I have seen countless girls I knew, with guys that were hitting on them and pressuring them to get their number and even though they were very visibly uncomfortable (and I think the guy *must* have noticed that), they were incapable of saying, “I’m not interested. Please leave.” A few weeks ago Honza wrote about how some women smile when they don’t know the answer to something, i.e., when they’re nervous. This is catastrophic in this situation obviously. Also, some girls feel the need to smile when they say no, to ameliorate the effects. So much of what this comes down to is differences in expression, isn’t it? That’s basically what they are. Guys communicate in more straightforward ways, so I get that some these things can be hard to interpret. Especially if you really really want to have sex with this girl, and she’s saying no, but she’s smiling!
Most girls are incapable of saying no with a stony face. It’s been very hard for me as well. I’ve (mostly) grown out of it, but it seemed really “wrong” to me, I just had all these thoughts that I don’t want the guy to feel bad. This wasn’t in cases when something unpleasant was happening to me, but more when someone wanted something from me (number, etc.) and I wasn’t interested. I think many women have an overload of this kind of “empathy”, and it’s the source of why women can’t say no; they’re too preoccupied with how the other person will feel if she rejects them. And maybe, this can be applied more widely – in some sick, twisted way – to when they’re actually in danger…
Part II, since it wouldn't let me post the whole thing :-D
DeleteWhen you think about that statistic – 50% of rapes can be stopped by the girl defending herself – it’s really fucking scary, but it makes some sense. I think rapists are looking for easy targets. Most guys can see that most girls have a problem defending themselves (whether verbally or physically) and the more malicious individuals take advantage of it.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the simple fact of girls putting on a stony face and telling guys to fuck off when they do something they don’t like would make a big difference.
Also, it’s ridiculous when people automatically assume that dressing in a revealing way must mean that the person wants to attract/impress someone or wants attention… Maybe they just want to dress that way because they like how it looks. Or it makes them feel good about themselves because they like how their body look in that dress… why should this mean something about the person?
I think this picture is spot on: http://cdn.goodmenproject.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Still-Not-Asking-for-it.jpg
About the anecdote I said that Honza mentioned in the article, with the unlocked house, there’s many others that can be applied as a counterargument: “Just because someone is cooking food doesn’t mean you’re entitled to eat it. Just because a banker is counting money doesn’t mean you’re being given free money. Just because a person is naked doesn’t mean you’re entitled to fuck them.” (And this goes back to the initial thought, some people will choose to rape someone even though it's wrong. And they shouldn't! But this is obvious and not something with a simple solution; telling rapists that rape is bad and they shouldn't do it won't bring results.)
Obviously, as Honza mentioned to me, the way someone dresses says something about the person, and you can usually tell a lot about the person based on what they choose to wear… And it’s true that many promiscuous girls will feel better about showing off their body, maybe because they’ve already chosen to ignore what people say about them (whether in relation to clothes or number of partners), maybe to “advertise”. But still, it’s stupid that I have to worry if a dress I like is too low-cut, while on the beach I can wear a bikini without a second thought.
It took me a long time to answer, because I'm not really sure what to say.
DeleteI'm not saying it's necessarily wrong what the guy did. I think it seems a bit sketchy the way she described, but liek you said. What worries me is the fact that she felt uncomfortable, but did not act on it.
Another things is that if you do it, you would make sure the girl feels comfortable doing it. You just want to get to know her and anything else is just an options and possibility. There is plenty of people who are not like that.
Andrea: As for the examples. Of course you're not entitled to eat the food or steal the money, but all these things are provocative. If you're poor, you will be more tempted to steal something. You shouldn't and if someone counts their money in front of you, it's not their fault they got robbed and they're not asking for it, but they certainly are provoking.
I'm not sure what was your point with that...
We discussed it, but once again I repeat myself. Yes, it is stupid that you can't dress however you want, but instead of complaining about it, all women who are worried should do something. And the something is simly learning basic social and assertive skills.